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Call for submissions for new gender blog - We're looking for submissions of articles and commentary for a new gender-focused online magazine that we're looking to launch soon, in partnership with some of the nation's leading Muslim American women activists. (September 14, 2008)

Looking at the RNC through Muslim eyes - It is upsetting that speakers at the RNC feel they need to resort to declarations of war to get Republicans elected, and saddening that they are oblivious to the very real damage the cause to decent Muslim American citizens. (September 6, 2008)

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altmuslim review 030 - Free speech - is it something Muslims can live with? In this episode, we talk about how Muslims cope with (and benefit from) free speech in Western societies. Also, an extended interview with Jewel of Medina author Sherry Jones discussing her controversial book. (October 10, 2008)

altmuslim review 029 - A vibrant Muslim media could have an opportunity to restore balance to the Muslim public image - if it can get on its feet. In this episode, we explore the state of the Muslim media. Also, an interview with the creator of "Muslim Cafe", Navid Akhtar. (July 5, 2008)

ELSEWHERE
The Republican red scare, Wajahat Ali, The Guardian (UK), Comment is Free (October 11, 2008)

Heritage was mixed a long time ago - Irfan Yusuf, Sydney Morning Herald (September 30, 2008)

Shahed will be a guest on BBC Radio 4's "Sunday" programme speaking about the Jewel of Medina controversy (September 28, 2008)

Dangerous liaisons, Wajahat Ali, The Guardian (UK), Comment is Free (September 27, 2008)

Another attack - in the name of whose Islam? - Irfan Yusuf, The Age (Australia) (September 22, 2008)

Violence against women won't stop until men speak out - Irfan Yusuf, New Zealand Herald (September 12, 2008)

Shahed will be participating in a panel discussion, Sourcing Islam, at the Religion Newswriters Association conference in Washington, DC (September 20, 2008)

Muslims have nothing to fear from this book - Shahed Amanullah, The Guardian (UK), Comment is Free (September 9, 2008)

Rushdie is no believer in free speech - Irfan Yusuf, The Age (Australia) (August 8, 2008)

Shahed will be participating in the Progressive Revival group blog at BeliefNet (July 29, 2008)

Western civilization? What a good idea that would be - Irfan Yusuf, New Zealand Herald (July 22, 2008)

Shahed will be speaking about the role of the Web in promoting Muslim civic engagement at the ISNA South Central Zone Conference in Houston, Texas (July 5, 2008)

Shahed will give a presentation, Shaping the Public Debate About Muslims, at the Center for American Studies in Rome, Italy (May 12, 2008)

Zahed will be a guest on BBC Radio 4's "Sunday" programme speaking about religious podcasting (May 4, 2008)

Rafia and Shahed will be guests on South Africa's Channel Islam, speaking about interpreting Islam in the modern world (March 28 & April 4, 2008)

Shahed will be speaking at the CAMP International Leadership Summit in Princeton, NJ (March 29, 2008)

Shahed will be a guest on Radio Tahrir, airing on WBAI 99.5 FM in New York, speaking about the Muslim block vote (April 1, 2008)

Shahed will be appearing on The Agenda with Steve Paikin for a recap of altmuslim's SXSW panel "Online Extremism" (March 26, 2008)

altmuslim is hosting a panel discussion at 2008 SXSW Interactive, "Online Extremism (And The Muslims Who Fight It)" (March 9, 2008)

Count blessings, then tally taxes - Hesham Hassaballa, Chicago Tribune (February 24, 2008)

IN THE NEWS
Domestic crusader - An associate editor of the publication AltMuslim.com—“it’s neither too apologetic nor too antagonistic”—Wajahat exhorts wealthier American Muslims to invest in their own future by creating think tanks and scholarships in art and media instead of collecting luxury cars. “We have to break out of our culturally isolated bubble,” he says. (October 11, 2008)

National publisher kills Spokane journalist’s book - [Amanullah] sent e-mails to about 200 graduate students in Islamic studies, telling them of Spellberg's "frantic" call and asking if they had heard about the novel. "What I got back was a collective shrug of the shoulders," says Amanullah. "The thing that is surreal for me is that here you had a non-Muslim write a book, and you had a non-Muslim complain about it, and a non-Muslim publisher pull the book." (August 20, 2008)

Self censoring Muslims - "But Amanullah says he never wanted the book pulled. 'I'm upset the book wasn't published,' he said, 'not because I agree or disagree with the book.' For him, 'I don't want to be in the position where we are stifling speech. Preemptive censorship is not in our interest. That's worse than even censorship. We're not going to silence our way out of problems.'" (August 12, 2008)

You still can’t write about Muhammad - "But Ms. Spellberg wasn't a fan of Ms. Jones's book. On April 30, Shahed Amanullah, a guest lecturer in Ms. Spellberg's classes and the editor of a popular Muslim Web site, got a frantic call from her. "She was upset," Mr. Amanullah recalls. He says Ms. Spellberg told him the novel "made fun of Muslims and their history," and asked him to warn Muslims." (August 5, 2008)

Why the silence? - "Both reactionary religion and militant secularism are on the rise, with both displaying a rigid certainty and a desire for power that will do nothing to benefit society. In this context, it is vital that people with open-minded faith speak up and demonstrate alternatives. [altmuslim.com has] set many good examples in this regard." (January 8, 2008)

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Year in review
The top ten good news stories of 2005
Despite all that happened in 2005, we were inspired and infused with hope and strength we drew from transformative events and people - whose stories we call good news.

2005 rode in on a deadly monster wave whose devastating power dwarfed humankind's petty triflings. We also witnessed the wholesale destruction of an American city and a remote region of South Asia as well as the unraveling of the American presidency (and the Constitution). We contended with the enduring ravages of industrial society (global warming & other ecological disasters), disease (AIDS, tuberculosis, the avian flu) and war (Iraq, the "global war on terror", Chechnya, Congo, Colombia, Sudan, et. al.). Only time will make sense of a year in which the Chinese juggernaut began to mint one million engineers a year, Dave Chapelle fled to South Africa, and Muhammad became one of the most popular names in England.

Despite all that happened in 2005, we were inspired and infused with hope and strength we drew from transformative events and people - whose stories we call good news. Muslims celebrated their long history of cultural and economic contributions in China and Russia, and made moves towards peace in Aceh, neutralizing extremism in Yemen, and struggling for (non-violent) justice among China's Uighurs. The media began to improve their portrayal of Muslims (albeit slightly) and emerge from the dense fog surrounding the war in Iraq. Also, the generous Muslim reaction to Hurricane Katrina put to rest the notion of a Muslim world that hates America (or so we hope). After another year of blood-soaked headlines, we present to you our annual Top Ten Good News Stories of 2005. (See past year's editions for 2004, 2003, and 2002)

1. Tatars celebrate 1000 years of capital city Kazan

The people of Kazan threw a birthday party for their beloved city on the Volga - it turned at least 1000 years old this year. For more than a decade, the news we've heard about Muslims in Russia has mostly been about the gruesome and devastating war in Chechnya. We haven't heard much about the Muslim Tatars - that's because they have been quietly rebuilding their society after decades of Soviet tyranny and centuries of Czarist repression.

Conquered in 1552 by the nascent Russian state, the Tatars - with their capital at Kazan - are the poster children of resiliency and survival. From new mosques to an Islamic university to a noteworthy economy, the Tatars have invested in education, development, and upliftment. This year, no less than Vladimir Putin himself stopped by to celebrate Kazan's millennium. The celebrations included the grand opening of the marvelous Kul Sharif mosque, built inside the Kazan Kremlin on the site of the original destroyed 450 years ago.

On the eve of the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, Kazan had among the most productive printing presses in the Muslim world; perhaps we can look forward to a renaissance of Islamic culture & spirit in the lands of Rus.

2. China bases its foreign policy on the spirit of Muslim admiral Zheng He

China marked 600 years since the first voyage of Admiral Zheng He, a Muslim who was China's greatest explorer. His fleets, which often numbered over 300 ships, covered 50,000 km and explored the Indian Ocean Rim lands - from the Swahili coast of Africa to Arabia, India, Indonesia, and beyond.

Germany's Der Spiegel magazine reported that, for China, Zheng He has "unexpectedly turned into an icon, a sort of godfather for the 21st century superpower." The era of Zheng He represented a unique moment when China confidently and peacefully projected its power into the rest of the world. Today, China again seeks to engage the world as an emerging economic and military superpower. By appropriating the legacy of Zheng He, the Chinese government hopes to reassure a nervous world about its global aspirations.

Throughout China, Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia, governments and common people alike celebrated Zheng He's anniversary by commissioning books, comics, films, soap operas, musicals, monuments, and whole museums about the mariner's life. Some even gave offerings in special Zheng He temples. In the US, Zheng He made the July 2005 cover of National Geographic.

In 2002, author Gavin Menzies added to Zheng He's aura with his book and PBS documentary - "1421: The Year China Discovered America" - by speculating that the explorer may have reached America, Australia, and rounded the southern tip of Africa.

3. Aceh Rebels & Indonesian Government agree to peace accord

It took the mega-tsunami that claimed over 165,000 lives to convince an Acehnese rebel group and the Indonesian government to end 29 years of fighting. Free Aceh Movement (GAM) spokesperson Bakhtiar Abdullah told Reuters the rebel movement opted for peace "because [they] want to give the people of Aceh a chance to rebuild after the devastating tsunami and to provide them with the opportunity to determine their own internal affairs." After negotiation talks mediated by former Finnish president Martii Ahtisaari in Helsinki, rebel leaders and Indonesian officials inked a peace agreement on August 15.

Under the accord, the Acehnese settled for greater autonomy over full-fledged independence. The parties agreed to cease all hostilities with the GAM to disarm. A South African-style Truth & Reconciliation Commission will be established. In addition, the accord legalized previously banned Aceh-based political parties. To celebrate the new promise of peace in their ruined land, the Acehnese held two days of special prayers.

The Free Aceh Movement has been waging an insurgency in Aceh since 1976, when the rebel group declared Aceh's independence from Jakarta. Over 15,000 people died in the three decades of conflict.

4. Cool heads prevail: Yemen dialogues with jailed extremists

We know torture and other violent methods don't work well to change the hearts of violent extremists. Are there non-violent methods to rehabilitate those whose only weapon is violence? A Yemeni judge leads a peer group of Islamic scholars who use listening and dialogue to reform extremists.

Judge Hamoud Abdulhameed al-Hittar chairs Yemen's Committee for Dialogue, established in August 2002 at the request of Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Salih. Judge Hamoud also serves as the president of the Court of Appeals for the Sana'a and al-Jawf governorates. "An important part of the dialogue is mutual respect," says Judge Hamoud. "Along with acknowledging freedom of expression, intellect and opinion, you must listen and show interest in what the other party is saying." Judge Hamoud claims, through discussion, to have reformed hundreds of militants with no recidivism. Once the incarcerated suspects agree to rehabilitation, they are released.

In a year when the US Vice-President waged a vigorous defense of cruel, inhumane, and unusual punishment and Amnesty International described the systematic detention & torture meted out by the United States as "a gulag for our times", Yemen's example shows there is another way.

Judge Hamoud has advised Britain's New Scotland Yard, as well as French and German police. If only he could engage the peanut gallery of extremism on the Potomac.

5. The truth about Iraq and other Bush shenanigans emerges

Okay, much of it is a day late and many lives short, but rays of sunshine pierced the dense fog surrounding the Iraq war and the wider Bush terror war. And knowing the truth - no matter how painful - is always good.

May: The leak of the Downing Street Memos - which the mainstream media failed to cover - confirmed that, in the prelude to the invasion of Iraq, " the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy ". After over 131 Congressmen and 540,000 Americans signed petitions and mainstream editorial pages chimed in urging the president to respond to the Memos, one could almost hear the rusty cogs of the impeachment machine begin to turn.

August: Gold Star mom Cindy Sheehan emerged as a star of the anti-war movement with her Crawford, Texas vigil. Sheehan, whose son Casey died while serving in Iraq, demanded an audience with His Royal Highness King George. Dubya refused to take a break from his month-long vacation clearing brush, and his popularity plummeted.

October: Colin Powell's former Chief of Staff Lawrence B. Wilkerson came out swinging, revealing that what he "saw was a cabal between the vice president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, on critical issues that made decisions that the bureaucracy did not know were being made."

October: A federal grand jury indicted Cheney's top aide Lewis Libby in the Valerie Plame affair, whose core issue remains the Niger Forgeries that buttressed the Bush argument for war. It remains to be seen whether kingfish Karl Rove himself will be indicted.

November: Hawkish congressman John Murtha (D-Penn.) called Bush's Iraq war "flawed policy wrapped in an illusion", and we knew the game was up.

December: The New York Times revealed that the President authorized spying on Americans by listening to their phone calls and reading their emails. 'Nuff said.

By the end of the year, we knew that President Bush authorized the use of chemical weapons, death squads, torture, detention without trial, secret prisons, fake news, and lord knows what else in Iraq. The Baath Party is dead; Long live the Baath Party!

6. Hollywood smells a little better

Is a new wind blowing through Hollywood? Improved storytelling and more sophisticated, realistic plotlines made their way in the past year to the silver & small screens. That's not to say that the torrent of malignant and malevolent representations of "Islamics" and "Ayrabs" - well-documented by Jacqueline Salloum and Jack Shaheen - has stopped flowing out of Hollywood. But a few valiant producers and scriptwriters have helped to stem the tide of Islamophobic and hate-mongering flicks.

This was the year of Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven, which gave us chivalric Islamic warriors and a cinematic Salaheddine. Morgan Spurlock, whose brilliant documentary Supersize Me lampooned McDonalds, used his newfound primetime television platform 30 Days on the FX Network to change stereotypes about American Muslims. Spurlock placed a conservative white Christian from West Virginia with a Dearborn Heights, Michigan Muslim family for a month, and filmed the ensuing lifechanging antics. Heartthrob George Clooney, stung by Bill O'Reilly's TV-flogging of his character, helped bring us the political thriller Syriana as well as Good Night, and Good Luck, a look at legendary journalist Edward R. Murrow's clash with Sen. Joseph McCarthy. And Albert Brooks went Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World, a film that - while silly and flawed - was preferable to Sleeper Cell. Finally, even George Lucas warned us about the perils posed to a Republic by Empire in the final Star Wars film Revenge of the Sith, with Darth Vader declaring in a very W-like manner: "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy."

Muslims in Europe made modest progress in the cinema this year. In the UK, the film Al-Ghazali: The Alchemist of Happiness told the story of the great Islamic scholar. Two new French films also promised positive filmic images of Muslims. In Le Grand Voyage, a father and son drive from France to perform Hajj. France's Dave Chapelle, Jamel Debbouze, leveraged his fame and bank account to make Indig�nes - a film about four Muslim soldiers who fought to liberate France in World War Two - a reality.

7. International effort to save the manuscripts of Mali

A new initiative called the "South Africa-Mali project" hopes to use South African technology and expertise to preserve the endangered manuscripts of Timbuktu. The Project has the support of South African president Thabo Mbeki, who sees the effort as a tangible sign of the African Renaissance he has promoted.

"This was not just a question of us making a small contribution to helping Mali preserve this fantastic history, but also to help raise the consciousness of our own people about our own continent, our own history, our own rich culture and traditions," Essop Pahad, South African minister in the office of the president, said. Timbuktu in present day Mali was a leading center of trade and scholarship in the medieval and early modern world. Manuscripts from Spain to Central Asia made their way to the fabled city's libraries.

While the dry air of the Sahel has helped to preserve many documents, deterioration and neglect threatens the survival of Timbuktu's collections. Various campaigns and exhibitions around the world have highlighted the plight of these libraries, including those of the Oakland-based Timbuktu Foundation and the Library of Congress.

8. Bangladesh sends aid to USA: the Muslim response to Katrina & Kashmir

2005, the year Bangladesh and Afghanistan sent aid to a hurricane-stricken America. Okay, so it was only one million dollars and one hundred thousand dollars respectively. But poverty-stricken Bangladesh and war-torn Afghanistan! And Americans still have the audacity to ask, "Why do they hate us?"

Other Muslim countries sent over $1.6 billion dollars in relief aid after Hurricane Katrina destroyed New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. Kuwait alone generously gifted five hundred million dollars. (Cynics noted that Kuwait could only cough up one hundred million dollars apiece for Asian Tsunami and Kashmir earthquake relief.)

American Muslims held record-breaking fundraisers, pledging an initial $10 million for Katrina relief through the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and apparently raising $100 million for Kashmir quake relief. In addition to dollar donations, mosques and homes throughout the South from Baton Rouge to Dallas to Houston sheltered Katrina survivors. A massive volunteer effort in Houston saw an army of three thousand local Muslims lending a helping hand to Katrina survivors at the Astrodome and the George Brown convention center.

9. For ten years now, Kenya's camel libraries bring books to the rural poor

An innovative library service has been using camels for almost a decade to get books to the mostly Muslim pastoralist population of remote Northeastern Kenya around Garissa. The Camel Library Service, run by the Kenyan government, seeks to increase access to knowledge and reduce the region's high rate of illiteracy. Each camel library consists of three camels: one to carry three hundred books, the second to carry a tarp and poles, and the third as a spare.

Kenya's National Library Service planners figured that delivering books with the beasts that are so central to the regional culture would enhance the usage and prestige of the library materials. The pastoralist population uses camels and camel-derived products for meat, milk, shoes, sleeping mats, gourds, medicine, fuel, and transport. Besides, motorized bookmobiles just wouldn't make it in the rugged terrain.

While Kenya's illiteracy rate hovers at thirty-one percent, a startling eighty-five percent of the poor rural Muslims of northeastern Kenya cannot read or write. It's worth noting that a week of Iraq War spending could equip every village and town in the entire developing world with a library.

10. A woman continues her struggle with a superpower

The Chinese government released 59 year-old Uighur prisoner of conscience Rebiya Kadeer on March 17, 2005. "We are beyond happy," said Akida Rouzi, Kadeer's daughter. "We have waited for this moment for five and a half years and want to thank everyone who worked toward this joyful day."

In addition to being an Uighur freedom struggle leader and highly successful businesswoman, Kadeer is the mother of eleven children and - according to Amnesty International - "one of China's most prominent advocates of women's rights." Kadeer was appointed in the early 1990s to the prestigious Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference and even represented China at the 1995 UN World Conference on Women in Beijing.

Her troubles began when - in the presence of Communist Party head honchos - Kadeer gave an indicting speech of China's lack of freedom and maltreatment of minorities. Her speech was a landmark and poignant moment in the history of modern China - Kadeer had prepared for years for the opportunity and ability to speak truth to power. The courageous activism and stubborn outspokenness of Kadeer and her poet-husband Sidik Rouzi led to his exile and her subsequent arrest and imprisonment.

Kadeer continues to wage her people's struggle from exile based in Washington, DC where she has befriended the likes of Congressman Tom Lantos of California.

According to Amnesty, "Crackdowns [in the Uighur homeland of Xinjiang] intensified after September 11, 2001, with authorities designating supporters of independence as 'separatists' and 'terrorists.' Uighurs, most of whom are Muslim, have been the main targets in the region of the Chinese authorities. Authorities have closed down mosques, detained Islamic clergy, and severely curtailed freedom of expression and association."

Mas’ood Cajee lives in San Joaquin County, California. He can be reached at


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56 COMMENTS ON THIS ARTICLE



>>The majority practices and consensus is what can be correctly termed Islam

Ah, yes, the tyranny of the majority, no doubt. GM, one thing you should understand about the Western mind is that arguments defending a practice by saying that they are centuries old traditions hold very little water. The most effective arguments to most Westerners are those which show that a practice benefits or harms. Giving women equal opportunnities for leadership helps or harms? That is the question.


>>"A Muslim is clearly one who claims to be one."

Soooo, declaring a shahadah really *doesn't* make a person a Muslim all by itself??


>>Soooo, declaring a shahadah really *doesn't* make a person a Muslim all by itself??<<

I think you're confused(as usual). Do you even know what the Muslim declaration of faith(shahadah) is? "There is no God but God and Muhammad is the Prophet of God," is not the same as "A Muslim is clearly one who claims to be one" now is it?



GM, if you view how the poor are treated as purely a worldy matter, I'd urge you to read the Qur'an again. And DrM, I'd urge you not to be so presumptious about other people's beliefs. And as takfir is rather dangerous indeed, it would be wiser to accept other's self-definitions.


OmarG:

Tryanny of the majority? Where are you getting this? The authentic hadith states that - in matters of Islamic faith/practices/requirements - the majority of believers will not consense on falsehood. Since a majority of Muslims observe Ramadan - they are tyrannical against the minority - this is what your post is saying? This is completely twisted and mixed up.

"that arguments defending a practice by saying that they are centuries old traditions hold very little water.."

The arguments are on a matter of the practice of faith and if you had read Hina's article you would understand - in worship - there is very little room for maneouver. And the point is that scholars, jurists, and the practices of the Prophet and his Companions reinforce the decree against female Imams. And yes, the practices of the Prophet and his Companions hold value simply because they are thier practices - no need for a 'Western mind' to understand or parse. Surely, you know that much?

"The most effective arguments to most Westerners are those which show that a practice benefits or harms."

Wow! I guess this the is metric we should use to measure everything in Islam - God's religion and truth. By that measure, why perform salat - it doesn't benefit anyone and wastes precious time. Let's do away with it. Come on - let's THINK before writing!

"Giving women equal opportunnities for leadership helps or harms? That is the question"

Giving women equal opportunities is beneficial and should be encouraged. Allowing women Imams is wrong because it violates the strictly laid out structure of worship - which is due to God alone. We CANNOT decide willy-nilly which we would prefer and then do it. By that metric, why not have pews in mosques - why sit on floors?



Nakia,

It seems you might read posts but you have difficulty comprehending what's is written in them. I will state it one more time:

According to hadith - The majority of believers in Islam will not consense on a falsehood in matters of faith and practice.

This is just another reason why your innovation is mistaken.

Poverty IS a worldly matter. One doesn't need to be rich to observe Islam or go to paradise or hell. What does come into Islam is - the helping of those less fortunate, establishing links between the community members, loving your brother what you love for yourself etc. Whether one is granted poverty or riches is God's decision alone(and it is a wordly matter since your riches or poverty won't help you in the afterlife) - what is required from believers is to strive for justice/equality/brotherhood. There is a big distinction which apparently you have not understood.

I think it's important for YOU to gain a deeper understanding of the religion through the Quran/Hadith/etc. I would also recommend to read and to try to understand posts before commenting.


Mashallah GM, you've covered all the areas quite well. I dont think ignorant people who dont even know the Shahadah have any business debating issues dealing with Islam on this level.


>the majority of believers will not consense on falsehood.

GM, unless I'm mistaken, hadith scholars declared this to be suspect. Good thing, too, because there's this thing called "group think". Its a phenomenon where people all agree on something for the sake of unity, even when the thing agreed upon is blatantly false. I've also seen a majority of one people declare the blood of another people as ripe for the taking. Muslims, as normal human beings as anyone else, are just as prone to these psychological phenomenon. Oh, and Dr-dude, could you put down the pom-poms and take that object out of your mouth...


>>I've also seen a majority of one people declare the blood of another people as ripe for the taking.<<

Exactly, case in point, the illegal US invasion of Iraq.

>>Oh, and Dr-dude, could you put down the pom-poms and take that object out of your mouth...<<


Oh my, arent we witty...You know Homer, one of these days you may just earn yourself a pair of presedential knee pads.
Tell me, is this how you respond everytime your lack of knowledge is questioned? I know the army has been lowering its standards to meet recruitment goals but this is pathetic.


Yawn. you betray your innocence about world affairs by your ignorance that the army and the Marines are different branches of the service. Given your hard on for me, I would've thought you would have remembered that. And, you should really find another barb other than "lack of knowledge" since it does not at all apply. If you think it does, the burden is on you to explain...


OmarG;

I don't believe it be a weak hadith - I will investigate.

We are talking about a majority in the broadest sense - regional or ethnic majorities do not qualify. Again, we are talking about matters of faith and practice - individual actions or group actions are not the issue. eg. a majority of one Muslim nations might massacre or war against innocents unjustly but the question is do the majority of Islamic scholars, jurists, imams etc sanction their actions as Islamically correct - no, would be the case.


This is an interesting topic. Let's conduct a mind experiement: The ummah was already spread out across vast distances by the mid 700's: Spain to India. It takes a caravan months to traverse that distance. A horse rider would take several weeks at full gallop. I would say that a consensus has only become possible in the modern age with the advent of instataneous communications. Thus, the ijma' (consensus) of the people of Madina could be (and sometimes WAS) different from the consensus of the people of Kufa or Basra, for example. So, in this very broad sense you speak of, ijma' like that did not occur even in the time of the Sahaba or their descentants...


You are mistaken. The scholars and jurists travelled widely and were well known. And as it was one vast territory - travel and connections were well established. Regardless of the distance - religious discourse/ideas/fatwas etc were widely communicated, critiqued etc. So your post is not a reflection of the reality of that time.


Sure it is, because thier were hadith unknown to people in Basra that *were* known to the people of Fustat. This is one of the reasons why scholars changed thier opinions on things after they moved to a different city. It is, of course, well documented and widely written on, even in Classical Arabic sources. The vast distances prevented complete synchronization: the consensus during Muharram when acaravan left Medina may have changed by the time that caravan reached Kufa. It is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.


>>Yawn. you betray your innocence about world affairs by your ignorance that the army and the Marines are different branches of the service.<<

Never said they were the same branch did I? Its common knowledge that the US army is lowering its standards to meet recruiting goals. How else do you explain the Lynddie Englands and Charles Graners of this world? Its a sad case of rotton apples at the top of the barrel.

>>Given your hard on for me, I would've thought you would have remembered that. <<

Sorry to disappoint you Homer, I dont swing that way. Given the totality of your comments sanctioning wars of conquest, "tribalism" and the confusion about Shahadah,....it seems like you're the one with a "hard on" for dumb commentary. The burden is on you to prove that you dont suffer from a deficit of knowledge.


LOL


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