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Zero tolerance for Muslim participation in politics? - The very people who fight to push Muslims out of the public square are also the ones clamoring for our communities to get out in the streets and prove our loyalty to the US. If only they could see the contradiction for themselves. (August 6, 2008)

Geeking out at SXSW Interactive - There is no better place to mingle with other geeks than at South by Southwest (SXSW) Interactive, one of the largest Internet-focused conferences in the country, where we presented a panel discussion on "Online Extremism - And The Muslims Who Fight It" (March 20, 2008)

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altmuslim review 029 - A vibrant Muslim media could have an opportunity to restore balance to the Muslim public image - if it can get on its feet. In this episode, we explore the state of the Muslim media. Also, an interview with the creator of "Muslim Cafe", Navid Akhtar. (July 5, 2008)

altmuslim review 028 - Where in the world is altmuslim? This month, we report on the halal industry from the World Halal Forum in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and from Milan, Italy where we speak to Italian Muslims about the challenges they face. (May 20, 2008)

ELSEWHERE
Shahed will be participating in a panel discussion, Sourcing Islam, at the Religion Newswriters Association conference in Washington, DC (September 20, 2008)

Shahed will be participating in the Progressive Revival group blog at BeliefNet (July 29, 2008)

Shahed will be speaking about the role of the Web in promoting Muslim civic engagement at the ISNA South Central Zone Conference in Houston, Texas (July 5, 2008)

Shahed will give a presentation, Shaping the Public Debate About Muslims, at the Center for American Studies in Rome, Italy (May 12, 2008)

Zahed will be a guest on BBC Radio 4's "Sunday" programme speaking about religious podcasting (May 4, 2008)

Rafia and Shahed will be guests on South Africa's Channel Islam, speaking about interpreting Islam in the modern world (March 28 & April 4, 2008)

Shahed will be speaking at the CAMP International Leadership Summit in Princeton, NJ (March 29, 2008)

Shahed will be a guest on Radio Tahrir, airing on WBAI 99.5 FM in New York, speaking about the Muslim block vote (April 1, 2008)

Shahed will be appearing on The Agenda with Steve Paikin for a recap of altmuslim's SXSW panel "Online Extremism" (March 26, 2008)

altmuslim is hosting a panel discussion at 2008 SXSW Interactive, "Online Extremism (And The Muslims Who Fight It)" (March 9, 2008)

Count blessings, then tally taxes - Hesham Hassaballa, Chicago Tribune (February 24, 2008)

'Busharraf' gets the people's message - Irfan Yusuf, New Zealand Herald (February 22, 2008)

Shahed will be participating in the US-Islamic World Forum in Doha, Qatar (February 17-19, 2008)

Sharia an unlikely threat - Irfan Yusuf, stuff.co.nz (February 13, 2008)

Converts' dangerous pull towards extremism - Irfan Yusuf, Sydney Morning Herald (February 7, 2008)

Safiyyah will be appearing on The Agenda with Steve Paikin for a debate on "Today's Young Muslim Women" (February 1, 2008)

Sidelining the loud-mouthed cultural warriors - Irfan Yusuf, Canberra Times (January 10, 2008)

Safiyyah will be guest writing at the TVO website offering commentary on the two-part TV series Britz (February 2008)

Fault lines of a nation - Irfan Yusuf, The Age (December 31, 2007)

Is there room at the inn for a Muslim holiday in America? - Shahed Amanullah, Chicago Tribune (December 23, 2007)

IN THE NEWS
Why the silence? - "Both reactionary religion and militant secularism are on the rise, with both displaying a rigid certainty and a desire for power that will do nothing to benefit society. In this context, it is vital that people with open-minded faith speak up and demonstrate alternatives. [altmuslim.com has] set many good examples in this regard." (January 8, 2008)

Does the US tolerate anti-Muslim speech? - "You see more hostility towards Muslims now than you did the year after 9/11," says Shahed Amanullah, editor of a Muslim web-zine, AltMuslim.com. He and other observers point to America's failure to capture Osama bin Laden, the continuing difficulties in Iraq and Afghanistan, and news of terrorist plots overseas as reasons why many Americans feel hostile towards Muslims. (December 7, 2007)

In the great Berkeley free speech tradition - [Amanullah] claims no personal agenda other than concerned dad. “I want my children to grow up in a country where they, as Muslims, feel valued,” he says, “and where their religion doesn’t contradict their nationality.” (November 9, 2007)

Shaping the debate on Muslims - The publication [altmuslim.com] promotes critical analysis, discussion, and debate within the Muslim community in the West while also showcasing commentary for non-Muslims who want a sense of the dialogue going on among Western Muslims. (October 19, 2007)

Blogging Where Speech Isn’t Free (.mp3) - Many nations have no tradition of free speech, and in those contexts, blogging can be extremely dangerous. How can those bloggers protect themselves, and how can we help them? (Panel discussion at SXSW Interactive, Austin, Texas, March 11, 2007) Audio available here. (July 9, 2007)

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Year in review
The top ten good news stories of 2005
Despite all that happened in 2005, we were inspired and infused with hope and strength we drew from transformative events and people - whose stories we call good news.

2005 rode in on a deadly monster wave whose devastating power dwarfed humankind's petty triflings. We also witnessed the wholesale destruction of an American city and a remote region of South Asia as well as the unraveling of the American presidency (and the Constitution). We contended with the enduring ravages of industrial society (global warming & other ecological disasters), disease (AIDS, tuberculosis, the avian flu) and war (Iraq, the "global war on terror", Chechnya, Congo, Colombia, Sudan, et. al.). Only time will make sense of a year in which the Chinese juggernaut began to mint one million engineers a year, Dave Chapelle fled to South Africa, and Muhammad became one of the most popular names in England.

Despite all that happened in 2005, we were inspired and infused with hope and strength we drew from transformative events and people - whose stories we call good news. Muslims celebrated their long history of cultural and economic contributions in China and Russia, and made moves towards peace in Aceh, neutralizing extremism in Yemen, and struggling for (non-violent) justice among China's Uighurs. The media began to improve their portrayal of Muslims (albeit slightly) and emerge from the dense fog surrounding the war in Iraq. Also, the generous Muslim reaction to Hurricane Katrina put to rest the notion of a Muslim world that hates America (or so we hope). After another year of blood-soaked headlines, we present to you our annual Top Ten Good News Stories of 2005. (See past year's editions for 2004, 2003, and 2002)

1. Tatars celebrate 1000 years of capital city Kazan

The people of Kazan threw a birthday party for their beloved city on the Volga - it turned at least 1000 years old this year. For more than a decade, the news we've heard about Muslims in Russia has mostly been about the gruesome and devastating war in Chechnya. We haven't heard much about the Muslim Tatars - that's because they have been quietly rebuilding their society after decades of Soviet tyranny and centuries of Czarist repression.

Conquered in 1552 by the nascent Russian state, the Tatars - with their capital at Kazan - are the poster children of resiliency and survival. From new mosques to an Islamic university to a noteworthy economy, the Tatars have invested in education, development, and upliftment. This year, no less than Vladimir Putin himself stopped by to celebrate Kazan's millennium. The celebrations included the grand opening of the marvelous Kul Sharif mosque, built inside the Kazan Kremlin on the site of the original destroyed 450 years ago.

On the eve of the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, Kazan had among the most productive printing presses in the Muslim world; perhaps we can look forward to a renaissance of Islamic culture & spirit in the lands of Rus.

2. China bases its foreign policy on the spirit of Muslim admiral Zheng He

China marked 600 years since the first voyage of Admiral Zheng He, a Muslim who was China's greatest explorer. His fleets, which often numbered over 300 ships, covered 50,000 km and explored the Indian Ocean Rim lands - from the Swahili coast of Africa to Arabia, India, Indonesia, and beyond.

Germany's Der Spiegel magazine reported that, for China, Zheng He has "unexpectedly turned into an icon, a sort of godfather for the 21st century superpower." The era of Zheng He represented a unique moment when China confidently and peacefully projected its power into the rest of the world. Today, China again seeks to engage the world as an emerging economic and military superpower. By appropriating the legacy of Zheng He, the Chinese government hopes to reassure a nervous world about its global aspirations.

Throughout China, Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia, governments and common people alike celebrated Zheng He's anniversary by commissioning books, comics, films, soap operas, musicals, monuments, and whole museums about the mariner's life. Some even gave offerings in special Zheng He temples. In the US, Zheng He made the July 2005 cover of National Geographic.

In 2002, author Gavin Menzies added to Zheng He's aura with his book and PBS documentary - "1421: The Year China Discovered America" - by speculating that the explorer may have reached America, Australia, and rounded the southern tip of Africa.

3. Aceh Rebels & Indonesian Government agree to peace accord

It took the mega-tsunami that claimed over 165,000 lives to convince an Acehnese rebel group and the Indonesian government to end 29 years of fighting. Free Aceh Movement (GAM) spokesperson Bakhtiar Abdullah told Reuters the rebel movement opted for peace "because [they] want to give the people of Aceh a chance to rebuild after the devastating tsunami and to provide them with the opportunity to determine their own internal affairs." After negotiation talks mediated by former Finnish president Martii Ahtisaari in Helsinki, rebel leaders and Indonesian officials inked a peace agreement on August 15.

Under the accord, the Acehnese settled for greater autonomy over full-fledged independence. The parties agreed to cease all hostilities with the GAM to disarm. A South African-style Truth & Reconciliation Commission will be established. In addition, the accord legalized previously banned Aceh-based political parties. To celebrate the new promise of peace in their ruined land, the Acehnese held two days of special prayers.

The Free Aceh Movement has been waging an insurgency in Aceh since 1976, when the rebel group declared Aceh's independence from Jakarta. Over 15,000 people died in the three decades of conflict.

4. Cool heads prevail: Yemen dialogues with jailed extremists

We know torture and other violent methods don't work well to change the hearts of violent extremists. Are there non-violent methods to rehabilitate those whose only weapon is violence? A Yemeni judge leads a peer group of Islamic scholars who use listening and dialogue to reform extremists.

Judge Hamoud Abdulhameed al-Hittar chairs Yemen's Committee for Dialogue, established in August 2002 at the request of Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Salih. Judge Hamoud also serves as the president of the Court of Appeals for the Sana'a and al-Jawf governorates. "An important part of the dialogue is mutual respect," says Judge Hamoud. "Along with acknowledging freedom of expression, intellect and opinion, you must listen and show interest in what the other party is saying." Judge Hamoud claims, through discussion, to have reformed hundreds of militants with no recidivism. Once the incarcerated suspects agree to rehabilitation, they are released.

In a year when the US Vice-President waged a vigorous defense of cruel, inhumane, and unusual punishment and Amnesty International described the systematic detention & torture meted out by the United States as "a gulag for our times", Yemen's example shows there is another way.

Judge Hamoud has advised Britain's New Scotland Yard, as well as French and German police. If only he could engage the peanut gallery of extremism on the Potomac.

5. The truth about Iraq and other Bush shenanigans emerges

Okay, much of it is a day late and many lives short, but rays of sunshine pierced the dense fog surrounding the Iraq war and the wider Bush terror war. And knowing the truth - no matter how painful - is always good.

May: The leak of the Downing Street Memos - which the mainstream media failed to cover - confirmed that, in the prelude to the invasion of Iraq, " the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy ". After over 131 Congressmen and 540,000 Americans signed petitions and mainstream editorial pages chimed in urging the president to respond to the Memos, one could almost hear the rusty cogs of the impeachment machine begin to turn.

August: Gold Star mom Cindy Sheehan emerged as a star of the anti-war movement with her Crawford, Texas vigil. Sheehan, whose son Casey died while serving in Iraq, demanded an audience with His Royal Highness King George. Dubya refused to take a break from his month-long vacation clearing brush, and his popularity plummeted.

October: Colin Powell's former Chief of Staff Lawrence B. Wilkerson came out swinging, revealing that what he "saw was a cabal between the vice president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, on critical issues that made decisions that the bureaucracy did not know were being made."

October: A federal grand jury indicted Cheney's top aide Lewis Libby in the Valerie Plame affair, whose core issue remains the Niger Forgeries that buttressed the Bush argument for war. It remains to be seen whether kingfish Karl Rove himself will be indicted.

November: Hawkish congressman John Murtha (D-Penn.) called Bush's Iraq war "flawed policy wrapped in an illusion", and we knew the game was up.

December: The New York Times revealed that the President authorized spying on Americans by listening to their phone calls and reading their emails. 'Nuff said.

By the end of the year, we knew that President Bush authorized the use of chemical weapons, death squads, torture, detention without trial, secret prisons, fake news, and lord knows what else in Iraq. The Baath Party is dead; Long live the Baath Party!

6. Hollywood smells a little better

Is a new wind blowing through Hollywood? Improved storytelling and more sophisticated, realistic plotlines made their way in the past year to the silver & small screens. That's not to say that the torrent of malignant and malevolent representations of "Islamics" and "Ayrabs" - well-documented by Jacqueline Salloum and Jack Shaheen - has stopped flowing out of Hollywood. But a few valiant producers and scriptwriters have helped to stem the tide of Islamophobic and hate-mongering flicks.

This was the year of Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven, which gave us chivalric Islamic warriors and a cinematic Salaheddine. Morgan Spurlock, whose brilliant documentary Supersize Me lampooned McDonalds, used his newfound primetime television platform 30 Days on the FX Network to change stereotypes about American Muslims. Spurlock placed a conservative white Christian from West Virginia with a Dearborn Heights, Michigan Muslim family for a month, and filmed the ensuing lifechanging antics. Heartthrob George Clooney, stung by Bill O'Reilly's TV-flogging of his character, helped bring us the political thriller Syriana as well as Good Night, and Good Luck, a look at legendary journalist Edward R. Murrow's clash with Sen. Joseph McCarthy. And Albert Brooks went Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World, a film that - while silly and flawed - was preferable to Sleeper Cell. Finally, even George Lucas warned us about the perils posed to a Republic by Empire in the final Star Wars film Revenge of the Sith, with Darth Vader declaring in a very W-like manner: "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy."

Muslims in Europe made modest progress in the cinema this year. In the UK, the film Al-Ghazali: The Alchemist of Happiness told the story of the great Islamic scholar. Two new French films also promised positive filmic images of Muslims. In Le Grand Voyage, a father and son drive from France to perform Hajj. France's Dave Chapelle, Jamel Debbouze, leveraged his fame and bank account to make Indig�nes - a film about four Muslim soldiers who fought to liberate France in World War Two - a reality.

7. International effort to save the manuscripts of Mali

A new initiative called the "South Africa-Mali project" hopes to use South African technology and expertise to preserve the endangered manuscripts of Timbuktu. The Project has the support of South African president Thabo Mbeki, who sees the effort as a tangible sign of the African Renaissance he has promoted.

"This was not just a question of us making a small contribution to helping Mali preserve this fantastic history, but also to help raise the consciousness of our own people about our own continent, our own history, our own rich culture and traditions," Essop Pahad, South African minister in the office of the president, said. Timbuktu in present day Mali was a leading center of trade and scholarship in the medieval and early modern world. Manuscripts from Spain to Central Asia made their way to the fabled city's libraries.

While the dry air of the Sahel has helped to preserve many documents, deterioration and neglect threatens the survival of Timbuktu's collections. Various campaigns and exhibitions around the world have highlighted the plight of these libraries, including those of the Oakland-based Timbuktu Foundation and the Library of Congress.

8. Bangladesh sends aid to USA: the Muslim response to Katrina & Kashmir

2005, the year Bangladesh and Afghanistan sent aid to a hurricane-stricken America. Okay, so it was only one million dollars and one hundred thousand dollars respectively. But poverty-stricken Bangladesh and war-torn Afghanistan! And Americans still have the audacity to ask, "Why do they hate us?"

Other Muslim countries sent over $1.6 billion dollars in relief aid after Hurricane Katrina destroyed New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. Kuwait alone generously gifted five hundred million dollars. (Cynics noted that Kuwait could only cough up one hundred million dollars apiece for Asian Tsunami and Kashmir earthquake relief.)

American Muslims held record-breaking fundraisers, pledging an initial $10 million for Katrina relief through the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and apparently raising $100 million for Kashmir quake relief. In addition to dollar donations, mosques and homes throughout the South from Baton Rouge to Dallas to Houston sheltered Katrina survivors. A massive volunteer effort in Houston saw an army of three thousand local Muslims lending a helping hand to Katrina survivors at the Astrodome and the George Brown convention center.

9. For ten years now, Kenya's camel libraries bring books to the rural poor

An innovative library service has been using camels for almost a decade to get books to the mostly Muslim pastoralist population of remote Northeastern Kenya around Garissa. The Camel Library Service, run by the Kenyan government, seeks to increase access to knowledge and reduce the region's high rate of illiteracy. Each camel library consists of three camels: one to carry three hundred books, the second to carry a tarp and poles, and the third as a spare.

Kenya's National Library Service planners figured that delivering books with the beasts that are so central to the regional culture would enhance the usage and prestige of the library materials. The pastoralist population uses camels and camel-derived products for meat, milk, shoes, sleeping mats, gourds, medicine, fuel, and transport. Besides, motorized bookmobiles just wouldn't make it in the rugged terrain.

While Kenya's illiteracy rate hovers at thirty-one percent, a startling eighty-five percent of the poor rural Muslims of northeastern Kenya cannot read or write. It's worth noting that a week of Iraq War spending could equip every village and town in the entire developing world with a library.

10. A woman continues her struggle with a superpower

The Chinese government released 59 year-old Uighur prisoner of conscience Rebiya Kadeer on March 17, 2005. "We are beyond happy," said Akida Rouzi, Kadeer's daughter. "We have waited for this moment for five and a half years and want to thank everyone who worked toward this joyful day."

In addition to being an Uighur freedom struggle leader and highly successful businesswoman, Kadeer is the mother of eleven children and - according to Amnesty International - "one of China's most prominent advocates of women's rights." Kadeer was appointed in the early 1990s to the prestigious Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference and even represented China at the 1995 UN World Conference on Women in Beijing.

Her troubles began when - in the presence of Communist Party head honchos - Kadeer gave an indicting speech of China's lack of freedom and maltreatment of minorities. Her speech was a landmark and poignant moment in the history of modern China - Kadeer had prepared for years for the opportunity and ability to speak truth to power. The courageous activism and stubborn outspokenness of Kadeer and her poet-husband Sidik Rouzi led to his exile and her subsequent arrest and imprisonment.

Kadeer continues to wage her people's struggle from exile based in Washington, DC where she has befriended the likes of Congressman Tom Lantos of California.

According to Amnesty, "Crackdowns [in the Uighur homeland of Xinjiang] intensified after September 11, 2001, with authorities designating supporters of independence as 'separatists' and 'terrorists.' Uighurs, most of whom are Muslim, have been the main targets in the region of the Chinese authorities. Authorities have closed down mosques, detained Islamic clergy, and severely curtailed freedom of expression and association."

Mas’ood Cajee lives in San Joaquin County, California. He can be reached at


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56 COMMENTS ON THIS ARTICLE



See, I've dealt with people with personalities like yours enough. You lash out at people who differ from you through insults and chidlish badgering. I told you before to chill with the insults and you just went ahead and started calling people "idiots" and insulting others who post on here. It is very unintellectual and I told you to stop being rude and insulting. So, I'm just giving back to you what you give out to others and I'll keep it up until you chill out. I find it difficult to see how Islam has made you a better person. I shudder to think that an abrasive and thugish personality as yours is "needed" to defend the beauty of Islam. I think Islam is more of an identity to you than a way to improve your soul. Allah knows you need alot of improvement and unfortunately you've demonstrated it plenty enough in your "writing".


>>You lash out at people who differ from you through insults and chidlish badgering.<<

Thats interesting, I see you doing that all the time, whats your excuse? Who started talking about Beverly Hills and Mercedes? Uh huh, grow up man.

>>I told you before to chill with the insults and you just went ahead and started calling people "idiots" and insulting others who post on here.<<

I called Amina Wadud an idiot who did not post here. Nakia called me a name to which I didnt respond in kind, but I asked why these people cant come up with a credible explanation for their innovation in religion. Lying and self-evasion is not empowerment.
Your problem is that you dont like my opinions. Frankly I just dont care.

>>It is very unintellectual and I told you to stop being rude and insulting.<<

And just who the hell are you to tell me anything? You may be a lot of things, but you are most certainly not an intellectual, not with your rabid pro-war carping anyway. Dont like what I post? Dont read it, and move on, end of story.

>>So, I'm just giving back to you what you give out to others and I'll keep it up until you chill out.<<

Oh I'm game, buddy. Do bring it on, as our fearless leader would say. I'm not going to censor myself on account of you being an intolerant hack.

>>I find it difficult to see how Islam has made you a better person. I shudder to think that an abrasive and thugish personality as yours is "needed" to defend the beauty of Islam. I think Islam is more of an identity to you than a way to improve your soul. Allah knows you need alot of improvement and unfortunately you've demonstrated it plenty enough in your "writing".<<

Thank you Dr.Phil. Save the psuedo-psychobabble for those who can do it better then you. A guy with your background and "commentary"(much of it racist and untruthful) is in no position to make to make statements and presumptions about anyone else's Islam. Atleast I dont tell people to shut up because I dont agree with them. Its called freedom of speech, isnt that you tools in the military are going around the world for?
Yeah........Eid Mubarak to you to pal.


LOL, don't choke on your venom. As for moving on, I ask why don't you do the same about women. Don't like what they do? Move on, then. But, I think your "nasiha" is more to gain an advantage over opposing viewpoints than anything else. You're way too transparent.


I doubt AltMuslim would allow my posts if I was trolling.

Our guidelines don't disallow trolling, per se, but they do prohibit slander and being disruptive and making personal attacks. Obviously there's some disruption going on and you make more than your share of personal attacks.

You've already been warned once, don't push your luck.


>>As for moving on, I ask why don't you do the same about women.<<

It has nothing to do with woman. My issue is with Amina Wadud's innovation in religion and erroneous use of daif hadith. Not to mention false statements about the Quran. I've explained that already, so dont pretend you didnt know that.

>>But, I think your "nasiha" is more to gain an advantage over opposing viewpoints than anything else.<<

Yeaaaaah, coming from you thats almost funny. Not as funny as my office in beverly hills and my mercedes car though.

>>You're way too transparent.<<

I prefer being blunt. It beats lying, justifying racism and peddling illiterate rantings on war and politics like you do. I think your problem is that you're so used to being given a free pass, unquestioned respect and support because of your military background, that its gone to your head. You've been repeating the same lies over and over which we've been hearing for the last 3 years. You'd be fooling yourself if you think, you'll get any play for that.

>>You've already been warned once, don't push your luck.<<

There are plenty of people here who engage in "personal attacks." I havent seen you issuing any warnings to them. If someone attacks me, I'll attack back.


There are plenty of people here who engage in "personal attacks." I havent seen you issuing any warnings to them. If someone attacks me, I'll attack back.

You are not privy to the e-mails sent privately by us to warn people.

You are also free to use your own blog to attack whoever you please.

And if we don't like the noise you create on our site, we have every right to ask you to chill.

So please chill.


That is all well and good Zahed. Just make sure to let Rambo here know that he needs to pick his battles more wisely. I did not start the argument with him...if he thinks he can attack me and then complain to you thinking he can get away with it.....well I've got some body armor and a bridge in Baghdad to sell you both.

Thanks for your understanding.


Some good stuff in the article. Glad to see it posted.

I couldn't agree more with DrM on the blasting of Mme Waduud. She and those who supported her in those so called prayers have my utter contempt and disgust.

An extremely well done deconstruction of her actions can be found on this forum at:
http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=1416_0_25_0_C24



I've never understood why having certain organs qualifies one person to be a prayer leader and disqualifies another. Maybe, if it was explicitly forbidden in the Quran, but to my knowledge, niether in the hadith or the Quran were women ever forbidden from leading prayer, men or women. Is is just to restrict women when Allah has not explicitly done so??

Wanting to forbid something just because it wasn't done by the Sahaba is a logical flaw. By this extension, women should not get PhD's or do much more than be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, eh?


The first command of the religion:

IQRA - READ

it appears you have not read the above posted link - the author is a woman - I doubt she comes to her conclusions because 'certain organs qualifies one person to be a prayer leader'. But if individuals want to establish that - they can go ahead PROVIDED they don't call it Islam. That is where my protestations and denounciations come in.


Indeed, I did *read* and have found nowhere in the original sources where it says women cannot lead prayers for either gender. Its simply not there. Anything which says that women cannot lead prayers are *derived* works and do not in any way have any kind of divine status and are therefore disputable. In the same way, my opinion will never have divine status, because it is based on an -absence- of evidence for the contrary position.

As for the hadith about woe to those who put thier afairs in the hands of women, well, many muslims put thier household affairs into the hands of women and they don't seem to have a problem with that, though.


OmarG:

Let's be realistic - Islamic practices and procedures are not derived by simply saying "have found nowhere in the original sources where it says...." thus I can do it. By that token - it never says that we can't have pews in our mosques - why do we have to sit on those hard floors?? By that same token - when on Hajj - why do I have to circumnavigate the Kaaba in a circle - it doesn't forbid me to not go around the Kaaba in a circle.

This sort of thinking is extremely deficient - as the author states in her piece - the amount of personal freedom with regard to acts of worship is extremely limited - we are not to futz around with it the way we like - and we can hardly use as a proof that in the divine sources "it does not specifically forbid X or Y".


That's right, GM. Islamic practices and procedures are derived from seeing a need, and assessing the best way to meet that need. That assessment would neccessarily include fidning out if certain practices are explicitly forbidden, and applying remedies that meet those needs that are if not specifically encouraged, at least not specifically discouraged. The need for justice and moral edification are dire needs among Muslims, and women began to lead prayer a few decades ago in America to meet those needs. And the evidence that female imams are beginning to meet those needs where many male imams fall short can be found wherever a woman led congregation can be found. And Hina Azam's piece saddens me, for it's obvious that she's intelligent, but she hides her light under a bushel of apologetics.


Nakia,

Your attempt to concoct and invent new practices as you wish and then to call it Islam is what saddens me and many other Muslims. I wouldn't care if you invented a new religion with those practices - but don't refer to it as Islam.


What saddens me is that the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) smashed idols, and that many Muslims, like you, simply went out and adopted new ones, and called it Islam. Please, if phallus worship pleases you, by all means, take part, but don't call it Islam.


What a foolish argument. I presume the lady who wrote the piece dismantling your innovation also practices 'phallus worship'. And all ladies who don't subscribe to your innovation practice 'phallus worship'.

And what is the height of arrogance is calling other people's worship as done for centuries since the time of the Prophet and confirmed and supported by the vast majority of scholars past and present to be referred to as 'idols'. And apparently, you and your group were able to overturn all this within the last few years and you are correct and everyone else practices 'phallus worship'.

God has said that the majority of believers will never consense on a falsehood. The conclusion is to stick with the majority in general. Your views and practices are in the extreme minority.

It is useless to continue to debate with you - because you can't make logical arguments and all you are able to do is resort to smears and generalizations. At the end of the day, everyone will face his Maker - all will then know the truth.


PS - The majority practices and consensus is what can be correctly termed Islam - not the practices of a microscopic minority. There is no way you are the face of Islam in the real world we are living in.


Actually, groups are more immoral and less intelligent than individuals. And if the majority does indicate correctness, then slavery should have never been banned, and exploitation of the poor is just ducky, no?


Another foolish comment. In ISLAMIC BEHAVIOUR AND PRACTICES - the majority will not consense on falsehood. We are not talking about wordly matters.


Asalam Aliakum GM,
Excellent points. One thing which continues to baffle me is that pro-regressives dont believe in the Sunnah of the Prophet(saw), yet will use a daif hadith, and even that one they use erroneously. This is the sort of dishonesty and blatant hypocrisy which characterizes the movement. The science of Hadith means nothing to them.
To simply play games based on ambiguity and sheer lack of knowledge(willful or otherwise) is a very old tactic disingenous folks use to justify their actions. Sort of the like the guy who wont consume alcohol but will sell it and demand "proof" prohibiting its sale. What do you expect from sub-marxists who dont recognize the 5 pillars of Islam?I believe honest Muslims would atleast agree to coalesce around things which all we all agree on instead of the retarded line that "A Muslim is clearly one who claims to be one."


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