Like everyone else, I was warned about the blood and violence, and braced for it. But the bit about the English subscripts must have slipped my mind. One unexpected thing I got out of watching "The Passion of the Christ" is its affirmation that Jesus never uttered the word "God." Instead, he called upon the Creator using a name that is very close to what I and other Muslims often evoke, namely, the word "Allah." (The Aramaic word for God is transliterated as "alaha.")

In a broad sense, "The Passion," as well as the controversy that stalks it, is an extension of the very long struggle for narrative control over the life and mission of Jesus. We, the American public, are given the impression that the discussion about the movie and its main character is a discourse between folks on both sides of a curious hyphen in the Judeo-Christian ambit, with Rabbis and Jewish intelligentsia expressing their fears that the movie will inspire anti-Semitism and with Christians denying that.

The irony here is that Muslims are perfectly poised to offer a view that no one seems to be talking about. What "The Passion" depicted in chilling imagery is but one narrative among several about Christ. In fact, Gibson portrayed one "canonized" narrative of Christ (only 12 hours of it) that received approval some centuries after the Messiah had lived and one that does not enjoy consensus even in Christian quarters and scholarship.

When asked, a Muslim will tell you that Christ was not sent to die, but, like the prophets before him and Prophet Muhammad after him, he was sent to live and teach. In short, a Muslim would say there is no Christ killer and, therefore, no need to associate anyone with that indictment and no need to cause anyone to fear it. What happened to Jesus at the end of his life was not about violence, but about honor in the face of vehement rejection. God raised His prophet to Himself, thus sparing Jesus of the execution Gibson so graphically detailed and imprinted in the public mind through the very powerful medium of art and culture. This is a view that was also shared among some early Christian sects, like the Basilideans, who believed that Christ himself was never crucified.

To vilify Jesus and deny that he is one of God's prophets and messengers is a cardinal sin in Islam, enough to disqualify one from the faith. To deify Jesus, however, is considered an affront to the primordial foundation of the religion project: the oneness of God and His sole divinity. The Muslim "middle" view here is not a self-conscious act of officiating a religious debate between Jews and Christians. Our understanding and beliefs regarding Christ are essentially identical to the beliefs we have about Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad: all prophets, all humans, sent by God to teach humanity certain things that should keep us guided and clear in our very brief lives. If we are ever to be confused about something, let it not be about God and His divinity, and humankind and our humanity, especially as it pertains to our salvation quest. In Islamic theology, the human being is born pure, brought into this world in a state of grace. The concept of Original Sin is essentially homeless in our tradition. We inherit eye color and receding hairlines from our parents, not their wrongdoing. Forgiveness, pardoning, and mercy are of God's essence, and He generously bestows them for the cool price of belief and sincerity.

In an important way, "The Passion" is an accidental expose about the religious sensitivities of our times, about a wounded spirituality that seems to require sensationalism to keep the faithful going. This is a point that men and women of religion may all agree upon and observe in their respective flocks. Mel Gibson unwittingly may have done a service in raising issues indigenous to the human spirit that the postmodern world seems to shun, issues about God, prophets, salvation, mercy, and hope. It's a vital conversation with divides and alliances, passions and perils, but a conversation that nonetheless can stand to hear the "middle" view that Islam naturally offers. Something of this view, in unavoidably brief fashion, now follows:

Muslims love and revere Jesus, and believe in him as a Prophet and Messenger of God, a great teacher and guide for people. But Muslims do not believe that Jesus was God or the Son of God. Nor do Muslims believe that he was slain on the cross, as some early sects of Christians had once believed. Jesus was sent to the Children of Israel to revive faith and a spiritual connection with God. All the miracles that Jesus performed were indeed true: raising the dead, healing the blind and the leper, and more. These miracles, however, occurred through the auspices of God's power and will, as it was with the splitting of the sea for Moses, Solomon understanding the utterances of animals, and many other suspensions of the natural order. God is the Creator, and when He determines something, He but says to it "Be" and it is! (as the Qur'an states). Muslims venerate Mary, the mother of Jesus. She indeed gave birth to Jesus though she was a virgin. She was a spiritual woman who was chosen among her people to the office of special contemplation and prayer. But Muslims do not hold her to be the "mother of God" and similar attributes. She too was fully human and was a beloved and important person in a remarkable series of miracles in a special time in human history. Every biology and miracle, the explainable and the inexplicable, whether it is the creation of Adam from clay or the conception of any given child of two parents, goes back to God. It is all the same to Him. All of it easy. All of it His.

In Islamic parlance, Jesus (peace be upon him) is known by the venerable titles of "Word" and "Spirit," since the Qur'an tells us that God cast the "word" or "spirit" upon Mary, the Mother of Jesus. "Indeed, the angels said: 'O Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in this world and the Hereafter, and he shall be among those brought near [to God]. He will speak to humankind in the cradle and in manhood, and he is of the righteous" (Qur'an, 3:45).

Also, the Qur'an states: "The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was but a Messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed to Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him" (Qur'an, 4:171). "And indeed God gave Moses the Book [Torah], and after him We sent Messengers in succession. We gave Jesus son of Mary clear proofs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit [Angel Gabriel]" (Qur'an, 2:87).

The thought life of a Muslim with regard to all the prophets is best summed by the following verse of the Qur'an "Say [O believers]: "We believe in God and [the Book] sent down to us, and what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes; and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to [all] the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him do we surrender ourselves" (Qur'an 2:136).

Here's also something I would like to point out about what you said:

And lastly if a holy man /Christ/God who has no sins had to die for everyoneĚs sins in that manner, humiliating and torturous, gruesome death, surely every Christian should be rejoicing, and wanting to commit any despicable act you can do, because you free of sin, Everyone donĚt need to worry, we all going to heaven, so tell me why then do we need a day of Judgement.

The fact that you say this suggests that you think that sin is "the good stuff" that God has kept off limits, and that we "get to sin" when we're forgiven, as if such wickedness were sheer joy. This is not the case; we detest sin because it grieves God, not because we fear punishment. If you obey only because you fear punishment, your obedience is not out of true righteousness, because true righteousness will do right even when there is no penalty. The Holy Scriptures say teach that the repentant and the righteous obey out of love, not out of fear:

[B]1 John 4:9-10, 17-19[/B]
This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. . .
. . . In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
     We love because he first loved us.

[B]1 John 5:2-4, 18[/B]
This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. . .
We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him.

(to be continued. . .)

So what's the purpose of giving us a choice? True love can only be expressed in freedom. Let me illustrate with an example: if your children obey you only because you threaten them with harsh punishment, their obedience is not out of love. If your wife only shows you affection at the point of a blade and upon threat of abuse, the affection is not out of love. However, when they are completely free to do what they wish, and they do things to please you, this is the most satisfying obedience, because it is done out of love. One woman keeps her home, cooks, and raises her children out of fear of abuse from her husband; the other does all the same, and does it better, because she is deeply in love with her husband. Now you tell me, what is the purpose of freedom and choice in this example? What is the purpose of freedom and choice before God?

Surely if we all going to heaven why do we need Judgement day because our God who created us with sin, then wiped away our sin by dying a gruesome death committed by his creations he died for÷

We are not all going to heaven. The Bible teaches that only those who realize that they are unrighteous by God's standard (absolute perfection), and depend on Jesus as their savior benefit from His sacrifice. Why did God do this? Because we cannot pay for our own sins and live. The wages of sin is death (Ezekiel 18, Romans 6:23). You don't get "extra credit" for doing good such that it cancels out the times you've sinned against God and against your fellow man. You don't get extra-credit for being good because you're supposed to be good; it is for your sins that you will be judged. Every last person on earth except Jesus Christ has sinned unto spiritual death, and cannot be reconciled with God unless the debt of sin is paid. This is why it is sealed in prophecy that the Christ would come and pay this debt for sin, which was spiritual death (being forsaken of God). This may be hard to grasp, but it is not disrespectful to God to acknowledge what God Himself had promised to do.

"We are not all going to heaven. The Bible teaches that only those who realize that they are unrighteous by God's standard (absolute perfection), and depend on Jesus as their savior benefit from His sacrifice"

Please tell me what sins did God die for, and if we are all not going to heaven. some of us are going to hell, what was the purpose of the crusifiction. Besides most of mankind is sinners so most of us are going to hell...so what was the purpose of the torturous death...?

Please tell me what sins did God die for

It is not sins in the plural, but sin in the singular... sins there are many, from greed to gossip to sexual perversity, but the sin behind all these is disobedience to God and loving oneself better than one's Creator. That's what the Genesis story on the Fall is about.

what was the purpose of the crusifiction

To justify those who believe and love Him; in other words, to save His people.

most of mankind is sinners so most of us are going to hell

What has a majority to do with it? God is not a democracy.

[QUOTE=]Please tell me what sins did God die for, and if we are all not going to heaven. some of us are going to hell, what was the purpose of the crusifiction. Besides most of mankind is sinners so most of us are going to hell...so what was the purpose of the torturous death...?In fact, all of mankind is sinful, and deserving of Hell. Does this suprise you?

[B]Matthew 7:13-14[/B] (Jesus speaking)
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

The purpose of this torturous death was to pay the debt that nobody can pay. Let me explain this; in the case of war, if the winning nation grants amnesty to the vanquished, why do people still fight? The answer is obvious; the benefit of peace only comes to those who make peace with the victor. Any enemy who remains defiant remains an enemy; the benefits of reconciliation are not extended to them. Don't you agree? God is the only victor. Unless you surrender to God, you cannot benefit from His amnesty. Amnesty can only be received on the victor's terms, but the terms are so simple as to be accessible to all; sincere repentance and surrender to Christ is all it takes (righteous living is only a trailing indicator of this). The criminal crucified next to Jesus couldn't do a single righteous act; all he could do was depend on Jesus for his salvation, and amnesty was granted to him:

[B]Luke 23:39-43[/B]
     One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!"
     But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong."
     Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. "
     Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

is it not the other why around would it not be better to be the one being tortured and die striving to please God so that we can be in his favour and if he chooses to forgive us, surely this is up to God. Is not God the Master of the day of Judgement, Master of the worlds, Surely only Gods decides who he wishes to forgive÷
Surely we cannot know who goes to heaven or hell..that judement is up to God alone...I do know that God gives us laws to follow to enable us to reach salvation.

would it not be better to be the one being tortured and die striving to please God so that we can be in his favour

We do. Nevertheless, it is not suffering but justice that satisfies God. Lack of justice, sin, is punished by death, and it has been so since Eden. God than satisfies His justice in the self-sacrifice of a just, Jesus the Christ.

Our own suffering and death avails us nothing, for we were already condemned to death for our sin.

if he chooses to forgive us, surely this is up to God

That is not what the Bible says. The Bible says quite clearly that He promises forgiveness to those who believe Jesus.

Surely only Gods decides who he wishes to forgive÷

<p>Then why is it so difficult to believe Him that he forgives those who believe Jesus?

I do know that God gives us laws to follow to enable us to reach salvation.

<p>Law saves no one, for no one abides by the whole of it. It merely shows us we need forgiveness.

I do know that God gives us laws to follow to enable us to reach salvation.

Laws do not save people; they merely indicate what you're supposed to do to begin with--which is usless to save you if you've already failed. And everyone fails the law, because since the fall of mankind, no mere man has able to keep God's moral standard perfectly. The Laws of God are meant to make us conscious of our sinfulness; they don't save anyone because we're supposed to be good to begin with--it's our failures that condemn us.

[B]Romans 3:9, 19-20[/B]
What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. . .
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
     But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace [unmerited, undeserved favor] through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
     Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Lets look at this logically ÷Ok you say man's original sin was wiped out by God when he came to die as Jesus, and the sinĚs that we commit there after will be punished by death, and you also say that when we except Jesus our sins will be forgiven÷
So tell if sins are punishable by death, what is the purpose of the day of judgement?

This piesce is from the Bible:

Zeph 2:3 (NIV) "Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the Lord's anger."

This confirms what I said earlier that no one knows where they will be going ÷

Gal 6:7 (Phi) Don't be under any illusion: you can not make a fool of God! A man's harvest in life will depend entirely on what he sows.

Isa 66:15-16 (NIV) "See, the Lord is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For with fire and with his sword the Lord will execute judgment upon all men, and many will be those slain by the Lord...

This clearly shows that the Lord is angry with us and that there will be judgment upon all men, so when judgement day comes, we might all be dead by then , but we will still be brought back to life on judgement so that the Lord can execute judgement on us.

Rom 2:6-11 (Phi) He will "render to every man according to his works", and that means eternal life to those who, in patiently doing good, aim at the unseen glory and honor of the eternal world. It also means anger and wrath for those who rebel against God's plan of life, and refuse to obey his rules, and who, in so doing, make themselves the very servants of evil. Yes, it means bitter pain and agony for every human soul who works on the side of evil... But there is glory and honor and peace for every worker on the side of good...


This clearly shows that death is not punishment for our sins , but that we will be punished with bitter pain and agony for every evil we commit. And this is from the Bible..

Jer 21:14 (NIV) "I will punish you as your deeds deserve, declares the Lord."

2 Thes 1:5-8 (Phi) See how justly the judgment of God works out! He intends to use your suffering to prove you worthy of his kingdom. For God's justice will repay trouble to those who have troubled you, and give relief to all of us who, like you, have suffered.

it is clear that this is the time that God's Wrath will be poured out upon an unbelieving world sometime in the future


1. A day of Reckoning - Isa. 2:12

2. A day of Judgment - Isa. 2:13-17

3. A day Cruel, with Fury and Burning Anger - Isa. 13:9

4. A day of Destruction from the Almighty - Isa. 13:6; Joel 1:15

5. A day of Panic, Subjugation, and Confusion - Isa. 22:5

6. A day of Vengeance - Jer. 46:10

7. A day that Belongs to the Lord God of Hosts - Jer. 46:10

8. A day of Tumult - Eze. 7:7

9. A day of Doom - Eze. 7:10; 30:3

10. A day of Battle - Eze. 13:5; Zech. 14:3

11. A day of Clouds - Eze. 30:3

12. A day of Judgment for Egypt - Exe. 30:19

13. A day of Gloom and Darkness - Joel 2:2; Amos 5:18, 20; 8:9

14. A day that is Great and Awesome - Joel 2:11; 3:1

15. A day when the Sun and Moon grow dark - Joel 3:15

16. A day when Justice is Dealt Out - Obadiah 15

17. A day of Punishment - Zeph. 1:8

18. A day of the Lord's Anger - Zeph. 2:23

19. A day that is Unique - Zech. 14:7a

this means everyone will get what they deserve or what they strived for in this life, of a surety everyone will be punnished if they have sinned and most mankind have sinned its only up to God to choose how they will be punished and if they will be punished only God will be judge on that day ......now I ask you again WHY WAS THERE A NEED FOR CRUCIFICTION if God Promises in the BIBLE a day of wrath to the sinners??

As far as I can see NOBODY is going to get away without being reckoned with on the day of Judgement,
You cannot say you will be forgiven even though you accepted God, you have to be humble enough to know that only God is the won who will decide were we all heading on the day of judgement

Blumoon, you are selectively quoting scripture and ignoring all the passages that add understanding to this. It is not as simple as your incomplete quoting of scripture suggests. There is no contradiction; indeed, there will be a judgment day, and all will be held accountable for their deeds:

Matthew 12:33-37 [Jesus speaking]
"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."

And indeed, because everyone has sinned, everyone will be condemned (though there are degrees of punishment according to the severity of sin; Jesus said that Judgment day will be worse for some than for others). Every last person is guilty and deserving to be cut off from God and all good things of God (which is spiritual death):

Ecclesiastes 7:20 [the writings of King Solomon]
There is not a righteous man on earth
who does what is right and never sins.

Proverbs 20:9 [[I]The writings of King Solomon[/I]]
Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure;
I am clean and without sin"? [[I]Nobody: this is a rhetorical question.[/I]]

However, the scriptures also say this:

Psalm 32:1-2 [[I]A Psalm of King David[/I]]
Blessed is he
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man
whose sin [I]YHWH[/I] does not count against him
and in whose spirit is no deceit.

To be continued. . .

Blumoon, please read through the prophecy of the Suffering Servant Isaiah 52:13-53:12, which I quoted above. It says that the Suffering Servant will be punished on our behalf. Yes, there will be a judgment day, but those who have cried out to Jesus to save them will be acquitted because Jesus was condemned in their place. Why was there a need for crucifixion? Precisely because God promises a day of wrath for sinners! If Jesus didn't atone for our sins, no one would surviv, because we are all sinners! Those who believe are made righteous out of love, which is true righteousness, but even the righteous are not righteous in entirety, for even the righteous have failed at some point. (Young children do not count, because they have not yet consciously violated any moral laws) The scriptures also say:

John 3:16-21
     "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

There seems to be some confusion here that I forgot to address. When I quote the scriptures saying that death is the wages of sin, I mean spiritual death, the second death. I didn't mean you just stop existing:

Revelation 2:11
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.

Revelation 20:6 [[I] about Jesus' return and his reign on earth on David's throne[/I]]
Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.


Revelation 20:13-15
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:7-8 [[I]Jesus speaking[/I]]
He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

Sorry about the confusion.

Zeph 2:3 (NIV) "Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the Lord's anger."

This confirms what I said earlier that no one knows where they will be going ÷

You quoted a passage of the Old Covenant. Although it is true, this particular passage applies to those under the Old Covenant; Jesus came and established the New Covenant which was foretold by the prophet Jeremiah (please read it), so quoting an Old Covenant passage like that is incomplete. It does not prove your point, because your point is directly contradicted by New Covenant teachings:

1 John 5:9-13
. . .We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. [[I]This testimony includes Old Testament prophecies, which I quoted above.[/I]] And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
     I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may *know* that you have eternal life.

I do not wish to go in circles with you Berkana so To you be your Way, and to me mine
and thankyou for you responses

If salvation is our goal, then our salvation should not be based on pagan Greek gods, practices, religion, culture nor language. The man-god concept is alien to monotheism and is a hold-over from the pagan Greco-Roman belief in Zeus(Dios, Iupiter, Jupiter) and his son Dionysus(Baccus). The problem is that so-called Christians today ignore the Aramaic speaking Messiah, who called on Allaha as the G-d, one and alone, to promote the pagan concept of the father -n- son man-god(Dios). The fact that after 700 years of living with the Muslims, the Christians of Spain insisted on calling the Creator of all the worlds, DIOS (the bible reference informs us that the Greek word DIOS means ZEUS) instead of the proper name Allah(swt), confirms that the teachings and beliefs of Christendom is in fact against the one G-d concept taught by the Messiah. So in fact to teach three in one or father in/and son is anti-Messiah teachings. Or to put it in the terms Christians understand: Anti-Christ! Just listen to yourself when you promote the man-god in the face of Muslims calling you the one G-d concept. You sound just like the pagan Greeks, trying to use Stoic philosophy and pagan Greek myths to justify the unexplainable. Just explain to Muslims where did the idea come from when you claim that the Messiah said, "Eat my flesh, drink my blood"? Or "I am the Alpha and the Omega"? Or when you quote the verse from John 3:16 about G-d sending a begotten son. That alone should make you reconsider your false claim of divinity to the Messiah. Answer this- What form did the father god take to come to earth to beget/sire his son with a human female? On one hand you say he was begotten not made, so sex took place.
On the otherhand, you claim it was an "Immaculate Conception" that no sex took place! You can't have it both ways! Again what form did the Creator take to do the act with a human female already engaged to a righteous believing man? Then you must explain why would the judge of mankind commit rape in the fashion of Zeus in his going-ons with Leda when Zeus came to earth as a swan! Yes, check the pagan Greek myth! Zeus took the form of a swan and worked his will on Leda, a married woman. Then she laid eggs and hatched two sets of twins, Hellen of Troy being one of the offspring.

Now, in the 21st century, we may laugh at that story; however, what makes your so-called Christian story any different? Remember the pictures painted by artists working for the popes where at the Annunctiation, Mary is seen with the Angel Gabriel and the Holy Spirit. And what form is the Holy Spirit? A BIRD!!! That right, a bird with a halo and light rays drawn to indicate this bird is not just any white dove. So when we question Christians as to the reason why they show the third person of the Holy Trinity as an animal-a bird, what can they say? And if the father did not father the son-because the angel told Joseph, the husband to be, that the lady he was to marry was already with child and the father was the Holy Spirit. Now, tell me what has this got to do with salvation? God splitting into 3 parts, one becoming a bird, as described in Luke, the other being born of human female after being begotten by the Holy Spirit in a flesh form that could not be human(otherwise G-d became a man to beget a son to become a man) and a father god who in fact did not father the man-god Jesus, who sent laws and decrees by his prophets only to negate all former prohibitions on idol worship and paganism. Christians would have us believe that G-d Almighty is not one G-d as the bible clearly states but a triune deity and that Jesus as the man-god died for our sins. Where does the man-god Jesus sit, pray tell? At the right hand of the father-god, complete with nail holes in his hands and feet and thorn wounds in his head, a body obtained by gestation in a human female. So god the son allowed himself to be killed just to save humanity from the wrath of the god the father - to save you from himself. Sounds almost laughable, that G-d demanded god-human sacrafice, bloody god-human sacrafice for payment of the sins of his creatures that He alone will judge on the Day of Religion.

Yes, you Christians are teaching something other than the true message of the Messiah and against what he (pbuh) taught when he was on earth the first time. And when he (pbuh) returns, you can explain to him why you stopped praying with your forehead on the ground toward Jerusalem, to the one G-d - Allaha, why you ate pig and drunk alcohol and wore clothing that reveals your private parts. Yes, tell him you had freedom in Jesus name, when his name was not and is not Jesus but Isa(Eesua) the son of Marium, peace of Allah be upon him! Christians, return to the faith of Abraham and the Messiah, submit your will to Allah and enter Al Islam with your whole heart. Allah will forgive your sins and bless you with guidance. Save you soul before the angel of death arrives. Only belief in Allah, good intentions and good deeds with the mercy of Allah can anyone make Paradise. Right now, stop what you are doing and pray with me - Lord, I have sinned against you and come to you with a heavy heart. I ask you to forgive me, to have mercy on me the day the dead are raised. I want to see the best place while I wait for judgement in my grave. Please make my grave spacious and my wait pleasing. On the Day I am judged, please cover the worst of my sins from the eyes and ears of all those assembled to save me from shame and disgrace as all my deeds in this life will be exposed. Oh Allah, the G-d of mankind, the creator of mankind, the king of mankind, the judge of mankind have mercy on me and cleanse me. I bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger. Amen.

Sorry Haji, your comments are totally off base, without any historical truth, any power of proving anything. Jesus is the Son of God, and reflections of truth distorted on pagan religions does not make truth less truthful.

There are several other confusions, as to the proper place of Jewish law to the Gentiles and the mixing of Christian practice and cultural heritage. But you really must learn more about what is Christianity. All you have is fighting words fed to you by misinformed anti-Christian propagandists.